Texas Holdem going all in with cards under your chips
Is it considered a muck or folding your cards if you go all in with your chips and your cards are under the chips. When you push the chips in and your cards in at the same time?
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In the comments Bogdan asks a very good question, because there is no legitimate reason in the world you would want to do that.
Pushing your cards out under your chips is unusual, unexpected, confusing and disorientating to the dealer and other players. One really ups the chances of your cards being mucked (by mistake?) when you do that.
Most house's have a betting line and a forward motion rule. Some have both. Where I am at for example, in No limit games the line rules, in limit games the forward motion rule rules. The rule in either form applies to bets and mucking cards. At any rate giving your cards forward motion or your cards going over the line is mucking the hand. At best you are opening your action up to a ruling by a floor person. Since there is a ruling it could possible go either way for you. I am sure that is not what you had in mind when you pushed all in.
Is it considered a muck or folding your cards if you go all in with your chips and your cards are under the chips. When you push the chips in and your cards in at the same time?
You will see rulings all over the spectrum with this, leaning toward you would get away with this move. However, you might get unlucky with me making the ruling, which would be your bet stands and your hand is dead.
Here's why. First note I used the word "move" in the previous sentence. What you are doing here is making a move. You may not think your making a move, but none the less it is a possible move. The floors job is to protect a game with a ruling, and if they let a possible move slide, they are not doing the job. The move here is to simply push the rules to make a situation chaotic and confusing. The upside for the player is that they get information, and they also get a shot at saying "I was going all in" or "No I was folding" depending on what they find out, whom is making the ruling and what they can get away with.
It may be you are green and naive, If it comes down to a ruling I would rule against you. As a dealer though if the infraction is minor, and none of the players are calling for a ruling, I will ask you what you are doing, and explain to you that you need to either put chips out or your cards out. I would explain to you that the next time you do both I will kill the hand and thank you for the nice tip you put on top of your cards as you mucked them (or maybe I will push the bet back). If however you do this and it has confused things to the point were players start to act behind you, I am calling for a decision.
At any rate, this is a great move when done well. But you need to understand how the floor is likely to rule on it, and how the dealer is going to handle it else you stand to loose a big bet.
What does all-in mean in poker?
All-in is the terminology used during a poker game when a player has moved all of their chips into the pot.
For example in a no limit Texas Holdem poker tournament game Player A raises to 800 chips. Player B has 1500 chips. Player B could put all of those chips into the pot, and then be all-in. Player A would then have to call the 700 remaining chips for them to go to a showdown.
Thats what All In means. Its something that you will commonly see in No Limit Holdem Games. You will see it in Pot Limit games as well assuming the pot amount will allow the player to move all-in. And you will also
While All-In is obvious some people are confused about how this affects the other players at the table, so we wanted to cover that in this article, as well as cover a few tactics when it comes to the all-in play.
Lets assume the scenario that Player A raised to 800 chips, and Player B then went all-in for his remaining 1500 chips.
Player A does not have to call the all-in. Player A could fold, and Player B would then get back the 1500 chips he put in, plus the 800 chips that Player A put in(and any additional chips in the pot from blinds).
If Player A calls the all-in for the 700 chips, and he has 20,000 chips then he does NOT put in all 20,000 or go all-in himself. He would put in just the 700 chips required to cover the amount Player B put in the pot.
If Player A has LESS than 700 chips remaining lets say 600 chips and he wanted to play this hand, then he would call the all-in, go all-in himself for 600 chips. Player B would then get refunded 100 chips(meaning he wasnt actually all-in).
So if a player at the table moves all-in, you only need to match that amount.
Poker All-In Side Pots:
Another confusing aspect when it comes to the all-in is when it comes to the sidepot. Lets stick with the example above.
Player A raises to 800 chips. Player B moves all-in for the remaining 1500 chips, throws on his sunglasses and sits back looking all confident.
However now we have Player C. Player C likes his hand. Player C decides to call the 1500. Player A also likes his hand, and he decides to call as well.
So now we have a 4500 main pot(plus additional blinds/antes). Whoever wins the hand will get this amount.
The flop comes, and Player B, who went all-in, has to sit back and wait for the others to play through the hand. At no point is he allowed to show his cards otherwise he is voiding his hand.
Player A likes the flop. Player A bets 1000 chips. Player C also likes the flop. He calls.
This is now a combined 2000 chips, which goes into a side pot. Only Player A and Player C are contesting over this sidepot. Once the hand is over, they will first determine who win between Player A and Player C. Whoever wins between those two will get the sidepot. Only AFTER that will Player B factor in, as they will then determine who wins the 4500 main side pot.
All-In Move: Common Tactics, Dos & Donts
Were not going to be giving you a full analysis of the All-In move in poker. There are complete poker strategy books on that topic. However were going to give you a For Dummies guide for when you should, or shouldnt move all-in when it comes to poker.
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